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Communities, Equality and Local Government Committee |
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Committee Room 2 - Senedd |
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Meeting date: |
Thursday, 15 May 2014 |
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Meeting time: |
10.00 - 14.52 |
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This meeting can be viewed on Senedd
TV at: www.senedd.tv/archiveplayer.jsf?v=en_300001_15_05_2014&t=0&l=en |
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Concise Minutes: |
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Assembly Members: |
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Christine Chapman AM (Chair) Leighton Andrews AM Peter Black AM Jocelyn Davies AM Janet Finch-Saunders AM Mike Hedges AM Mark Isherwood AM Gwyn R Price AM Jenny Rathbone AM Rhodri Glyn Thomas AM |
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Witnesses: |
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Ceri Breeze, Head of Housing Directorate, Welsh Government Neil Buffin, Welsh Government Carl Sargeant AM, Minister for Housing and Regeneration |
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Committee Staff: |
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Sarah Beasley (Clerk) Elizabeth Wilkinson (Second Clerk) Leanne Hatcher (Deputy Clerk) Gwyn Griffiths (Legal Advisor) |
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Transcript
View the meeting transcript.
1 Introductions, apologies and substitutions
1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the Committee.
2 Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business: item 3
2.1 The motion was agreed.
3 Consideration of Correspondence from the Older People's Commissioner for Wales
3.1 The Committee considered the correspondence received and agreed to discuss with the relevant Ministers as part of forthcoming general scrutiny sessions.
4 Housing (Wales) Bill - Stage 2 - Consideration of amendments
4.1In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:
Amendment 435 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 368 (Mark Isherwood)
As amendment 435 was agreed, amendment 368 fell.
New Section:
Amendment 164 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 165 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 165 was agreed. |
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As amendment 165 was agreed,amendment 369 (Mark Isherwood); amendment 120 (Peter Black) andamendment 148 (Jocelyn Davies)
fell.
Amendment 166 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 166 was agreed. |
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As amendment 166 was agreed, amendments 370, 371, 372, 374 and 373 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendment 167 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 167 was agreed. |
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As amendment 167 was agreed, Amendments 375, 376, 377, 378, 379 and 380 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendments 436, 169, 171, 187, 437 and 438 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 381 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 381 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 170 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 87 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 317 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 433 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 433 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 318 to 321 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 73 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Peter Black |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 73 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 322 to 341 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 74 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 434 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 434 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 342 to 352 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 382 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 382 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 172 to 174 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 2 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 2 was agreed. |
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Amendment 3 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 3 was agreed. |
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Amendments 175 to 185 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 186 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 383 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jocelyn
Davies |
Leighton
Andrews |
Peter Black |
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4 |
5 |
1 |
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Amendment 383 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 384 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 384 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 188 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 189 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 385 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 385 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 192 to 194 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 357 (Jocelyn Davies)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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3 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 357 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 386 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 386 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 195 to 203 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 204 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendments 205 to 220 and 191 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 222 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 222 was agreed. |
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As amendment 222 was agreed, Amendments 387 to 389 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendment 390 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jocelyn
Davies |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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4 |
6 |
0 |
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Amendment 390 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 223, 4, 5, 6, 224, 225 and 226 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 391 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black
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Leighton
Andrews |
Jocelyn
Davies |
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3 |
5 |
2 |
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Amendment 391 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 227 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 392 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 392 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 228 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 230 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 393 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 393 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 231 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 89 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 394 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jocelyn
Davies |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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4 |
6 |
0 |
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Amendment 394 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 90 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 91 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 395 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jocelyn
Davies |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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4 |
6 |
0 |
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Amendment 395 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 232 to 235 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 396 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 396 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 236 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 236 was agreed. |
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As amendment 236 was agreed, amendment 397 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendment 237 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 398 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 398 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 399 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 399 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 238 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 121 (Peter Black)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 121 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 239 to 242 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 400 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 400 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 122 (Peter Black)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 122 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 123 (Peter Black)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 123 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 243 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 439 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 245 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 246 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 247 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 403 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 403 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 248 to 258 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 404 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 404 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 259 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 149 (Jocelyn Davies)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 149 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 405 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 405 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 260 to 269 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 270 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 270 was agreed. |
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As amendment 270 was agreed, Amendment 406 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendment 271 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 272 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 272 was agreed. |
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As amendment 272 was agreed, amendment 407 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendments 273 to 280 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 408 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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3 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 408 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 281 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 282 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 409 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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3 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 409 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 283, 284, 92, 93, 94, 285 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 286 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Peter Black |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 286 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 287 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Peter Black |
Mark
Isherwood |
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5 |
3 |
2 |
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Amendment 287 was agreed. |
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Amendment 288 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 290 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 294 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Peter Black |
Mark
Isherwood |
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5 |
3 |
2 |
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Amendment 294 was agreed. |
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As amendment 288 was agreed, amendment 125 (Peter Black) fell.
Amendment 126 (Peter Black)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 126 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 127 (Peter Black) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 128 (Peter Black) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 129 (Peter Black)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 129 was agreed. |
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As amendment 129 was agreed, amendments 410 and 411 (Mark Isherwood); and amendment 95 (Carl Sargeant) fell.
Amendment 130 (Peter Black) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 289 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
0 |
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8 |
2 |
0 |
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Amendment 289 was agreed. |
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As amendment 289 was agreed; Amendment 412 (Mark Isherwood) fell.
Amendment 291 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 291 was agreed. |
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Amendment 292 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 292 was agreed. |
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Amendments 293, 295, 297 and 301(Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 150 (Jocelyn Davies)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 150 was agreed. |
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Amendment 296 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 151 (Jocelyn Davies)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
Mark
Isherwood |
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3 |
5 |
2 |
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Amendment 151 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 131 (Peter Black)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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3 |
7 |
0 |
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Amendment 131 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 152 (Jocelyn Davies)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 152 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 414 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 414 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 133 (Peter Black) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendments 298, 299, 300, 304 and 305 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 415 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 415 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 416 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Peter Black |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 416 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 302 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
Peter Black |
Mark
Isherwood |
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5 |
3 |
2 |
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Amendment 302 was agreed. |
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Amendment 303 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
Mark
Isherwood |
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8 |
0 |
2 |
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Amendment 303 was agreed. |
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Amendment 229 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 306 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 417 (Mark Isherwood)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Mark
Isherwood |
Leighton
Andrews |
0 |
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2 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 417 was not agreed. |
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Amendments 307 to 311 (Carl Sargeant) were grouped for voting and were agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
4.2 The following Sections and Schedules were deemed agreed to:
· Sections 2 – 6
· Schedule 1
· Sections 7 – 34
4.3 The Committee will continue its Stage 2 consideration of amendments at its next meeting on 21 May 2014.